In this meeting, Samvaknin discusses the nature of pro-social or communal narcissists, describing them as deeply dependent on others for internal regulation despite their grandiose self-image. He explains that these sadistic narcissist resolve the conflict between their superiority complex and reliance on others by adopting roles as moral guardians or champions of collective causes, which justifies their demanding and punitive behavior. This external narrative serves as a false self that masks their internal feelings of inadequacy and is likened to a form of psychosis due to their expansive, consuming egocentric worldview.