How Covert Narcissist Deceives Covert Borderline and He Loves It (2nd in Odd Couples Series)

1. Introduction to Covert Borderline and Covert Narcissist

• The covert borderline (CB) is a hybrid personality structure integrating elements of borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder but is not an official diagnosis. It features antisocial traits, a strong sense of grandiosity, and a self-created “good object” from childhood negativity.
• The covert narcissist (CN) possesses a compensatory grandiosity with a “bad object,” marked by incessant shame and feelings of inadequacy, leading to pathological envy and internalized object relations.
• The meeting was based on work by Arnold Cooper and Akar Salman on covert/shy narcissists starting from 1989.
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2. Psychological and Behavioral Traits

• CB exhibits slight antisocial traits such as defiance, resentment of authority, and some recklessness, similar to psychopathy’s Factor 1 traits.
• Both CB and CN display grandiosity but differ: CB’s grandiosity stems from a positive self-generated good object, whereas CN’s stems from compensating deep-seated shame and inferiority.
• CN internalizes others as objects and seeks to appropriate CB’s good object, establishing a dynamic of predator (CN) and prey (CB) within a relationship.
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3. Interpersonal Dynamics Between CB and CN

• CN idolizes and idealizes CB initially to co-opt their good object and establish dependency, which is often covert manipulation.
• CB desires real love and has the capacity for positive emotions, unlike CN who is emotionally deficient and unable to genuinely experience love.
• CN relies on CB for external emotional regulation, creating an external locus of control that triggers CN’s passive-aggressive behaviors when frustrated.
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4. Compatibility and Conflict in Relationships

• CB seeks idealized, intense love and is willing to be deceived to maintain the romantic fantasy that CN provides.
• CN’s jealousy, envy, and unpredictability provoke CB’s intellectualization and rationalization to maintain relationship stability.
• CN is often socially constrained, boring, and struggles with reading social cues, while CB is charismatic, intellectually curious but quickly bored, causing tension.
• Both share paranoia, hypervigilance, and distrust, often leading to frequent conflicts, mutual suspicion, and adversarial interactions resembling courtroom battles.
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5. Emotional Regulation and Cognitive Styles

• CB can intellectualize emotional dysregulation and self-medicate through risky behaviors, maintaining more control compared to classical borderline disorder.
• CN is prone to internalizing emotions until they explode into rage or implosion, creating volatile states affecting the relationship.
• Both are prone to dissociation, confabulation, denial, and other dissociative states that both protect and strain the relationship.
• CB is generally higher functioning intellectually, enjoys learning and knowledge, but experiences cognitive distortions. CN shows limited intellectual capacity and uses language primarily for self-esteem regulation.
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6. Sexual and Marital Dynamics

• CB can maintain loyalty and stable long-term partnerships but also shows narcissistic traits like extramarital affairs and uninhibited sexuality outside relationships.
• CN has impaired intimacy capacity, dreads closeness, exhibits abandonment and engulfment anxieties, and may show sexual deviance or paraphilia.
• Sexual and emotional incompatibility often leads to relationship breakdown despite initial attraction and mirroring fantasies.
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7. Moral and Ethical Perspectives

• CB has individualized, often rigid morality tailored personally, emphasizing self-direction and sometimes exhibiting pseudo humility and activism.
• CN lacks a consistent moral code, frequently dishonest, shifting values for narcissistic gain, with tendencies toward materialism and delinquency.
• Moral incongruence creates significant friction and conflict between partners.
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8. Relationship Outcomes and Dynamics

• The relationship often degenerates into cycles of idealization, devaluation, discard, and replacement, with CN engaging in manipulative triangulation and deceit.
• CB reacts with increased narcissistic behavior, attention-seeking, and sometimes sadistic or punitive behaviors in extreme cases.
• Both exhibit repeating cycles of conflict and reconciliation rooted in fantasy, deception, and emotional needs.
• Despite deep incompatibilities, CB’s craving for idealized love and CN’s capacity for deception create a binding but unstable relationship.
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9. Reasons for Relationship Formation

• CB’s yearning for deep, idealized love drives him to accept deception and illusions offered by CN to fulfill his emotional needs.
• CN’s compulsive need to steal the good object and sustain narcissistic supply motivates maintaining the relationship despite dysfunction.
• This dynamic creates addictive dependency on the fantasy for both, despite the underlying reality of incompatibility and mutual harm.
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This summary synthesizes the dialogue on covert borderline and covert narcissist relational dynamics, highlighting psychological features, interpersonal patterns, conflicts, and motives shaping their interactions.